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Referring to Fig. 8-25 of Mastering Elliott Wave, “is it possible that wave X could retrace into wave A and still hold the pattern implications?”

ANSWER:

Sent in by James of Germantown, MD, you will need a copy of Mastering Elliott Wave to get the full gist of this question. 

The answer is YES, but you want to make sure wave-x is not retraced more than 61.8% of the first a-b-c pattern. X-waves should never retrace more than 61.8% of any zigzag. If they do, something other than an x-wave is unfolding.

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Could you briefly explain what is meant by ‘river theory’?

ANSWER:

This question was sent in by David Lai – a great customer in New South Wales, Australia. Since I have been incorporating Neely River technology in my NEoWave Trading updates for nearly 2 years, it’s time I explain this revolutionary concept. 

If you have subscribed to the NEoWave Trading service for a long-time, you’ve noticed my trading style has transformed the last 2 years. For the first 20 years of my career, all NEoWave (and old WaveWatch) services focused on “predicting” markets using wave theory. Because of the detail I attempted to achieve with my forecasts, the process might consume as much as 12 hours of my then 15-20 hour work day. If structure was clear, the second step of the process involved designing a trading strategy that took into account all possible preferred and alternate scenarios. If a position was warranted and activated, the third step involved managing that trade using stop-loss orders and profit objectives based on my presumptions of wave structure and the outlook which it implied. While on rare occasions that approach worked spectacularly well (such as the 2000 – 20002 period in the S&P), it left much to be desired at least 50% of the time. 

After pursuing the universally accepted 3-step process (Forecasting, Entering, Managing) for nearly 20 years, 7 years ago I began to question its validity. Why? Even though my forecasting abilities over the prior 20 years had improved several orders of magnitude, improvements in my trading were only incremental. That perplexed me for two decades and was extremely frustrating. How could my forecasting improve so much and my trading so little…what was I missing?

It eventually dawned on me that each step of the traditional 3-pronged process (Forecasting, Entering, Managing) was plagued with problems. First, even if you are good at forecasting, you probably won’t be right more than about 50% of the time. Next, even if you are right about the direction of the market, your entry price may be too high or too low, preventing the trade or reducing future profit potential. Even if your entry was great, your stop placement may be too close or your exit too early. If you give each step of this process a 50% rate of success (probably too high), by the time you reach the end you will achieve (at best) a 12.5% success rate. Is there any wonder trading is so difficult for most?

From the first book I ever read on trading (“The Commodities Futures Game”) to every financial magazine since, along with every newscast I have ever watched or commentator I have ever heard on TV, the foundation of all those presentations stems from one belief – FORECASTING is the key to successful trading. 

Like virtually every one, for 20 years, I believed the myth. Right after the 2000 stock market high, I knew (based on wave structure) the S&P was entering a 15-20+ year consolidation. Based on NEoWave concepts in Mastering Elliott Wave, I knew this meant wave structure would become extremely complex and difficult to interpret for possibly the next 20 years. Not a great environment for trading IF your foundation is a forecasting paradigm. 

With that knowledge in hand, in 2000 I began searching for a non-forecasting approach to trading and investing based on the same logical and objective approach that has made NEoWave famous. After 7 years of research, training, trading and programming, a highly evolved “trading science” has emerged, which I call NEELY RIVER THEORY. 

In essence, Neely River theory compares the seemingly random action of traders in a market to that of the behavior of fish in a river. No mathematical formula can tell us exactly where a specific fish will be in a river at any one time, BUT there are things you can predict about the general behavior of all fish in the river. 

1. Fish do not determine the flow of the river.

2. Independent of personal action, tracking the movement of all fish will show the net result is they move down stream over time. 

3. The majority of fish remain within the channel created by the north and south banks of the river.

4. Fish will move the fastest when swimming downstream and in the middle of the river. 

5. Near the perimeter of the river, fish get caught in turbulence and whirlpools that will effect their orientation and hinder their progress to the ocean. 

6. Fish do not need to make forecasts about the flow of the river or the distance to the ocean to eventually reach that target. 

In the same way, you can say the following about traders.

1. Traders do not determine the flow of a larger-degree trend.

2. Independent of personal action, tracking the movement of all traders will show the net result (prices) move “down stream” (i.e., in sync with the larger trend). 

3. Trading activity is “confined” by north and south channels imposed by a larger time frame.

4. Traders will make the most money the fastest in the middle of a channel when in sync with the larger trend. 

5. Near the perimeter of a market’s channel, traders get caught in turbulence that effects their orientation (i.e., it produces uncertainty about future direction) and hinders their progress (i.e., their ability to produce consistent profits). 

6. Traders do not need to make forecasts about the trend of a market or the distance to a future target to eventually achieve profits. 

Using the river analogy as a guide, over the last 7 years I’ve developed logical, objective trading strategies that allow traders to reach their goal of profitable trading without attempting to forecast the direction or extent of a market’s move. 

Though the above statements will no doubt be considered controversial and debated by many, I expect the foundation and technology of Neely River theory will create a revolution in the field of trading and investing. 

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Is the concept of degree, appearing in “Mastering Elliott Wave”, and its frontier value of 1/3, a good rule to differentiate smaller-degree waves from larger-degree waves?

ANSWER:

This question was sent in by Victror Zorrero (location unknown). Its a very important question regarding a concept few orthodox EW analysts address and is a key reason most orthodox EW wave counts and forecasts eventually prove to be wrong.

The simple answer is YES, the “Rule of Similarity and Balance” (which describes the 1/3 or 3x’s relationship required between same degree waves) is an essential technique for differentiating smaller from larger degree wave patterns. You can read more about this NEoWave Rule on page 4-3 of Mastering Elliott Wave. Any wave count that breaks the “Rule of Similarity and Balance” is destine to fail.

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When a market is forming a significant top, would it be accurate to say that, while Elliott rules will be respected, guildlines with�fall by the wayside?

ANSWER:

This question was sent in by Eric Noel, a great customer in Ontario, Canada. It is a very important question that touches on issues I’ve raised lately in more than one NEoWave Forecasting and Trading service.

An integral part of NEoWave theory is that large-degree pattern conclusions are associated with unusual behavior. At every major high or low I can remember for the last 25 years, either a new pattern variation emerged or a completely new wave formation developed. 

For example, the high in 1987 produced the first 3rd Extension Terminal I had ever seen. NEoWave Diametric formations began to occur in the S&P around 1995, right as the 8-year Contracting Triangle was coming to an end. The stock market high in 2000 ended with a 5th Failure Terminal, which (if memory serves me correct) was the first I had ever witnessed. 

Currently, in T-Notes (where a decade-long, Expanding Triangle may be ending) we can see an upward-drifting, Neutral Triangle. The (e)-wave of that pattern is drifting in the opposite direction, breaking the (b)-(d) trendline BEFORE it has ended. Something I’ve never seen before. The same phenomenon appears to be happening in Gold’s 1-year Contracting Triangle where wave-(e) is drifting outside the b-d channel before its conclusion. 

So, to answer Eric’s question, while all Elliott and NEoWave pattern construction rules must be met at all times, unusual or never-before-seen types of behavior occur at major pattern conclusions. Such new behavior does not negate or diminish prior rules and guidelines, but simply ADDS a “branch” to the NEoWave “logic tree.” This ability to adapt and evolve is what separates NEoWave from Elliott Wave and is the reason NEoWave produces more reliable, accurate and stable wave counts than orthodox Elliott Wave.

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Do you think options are a reasonable way to trade using your service?

ANSWER:

This question was sent in by George Schluger of New Jersey. Its an important question, especially for those new to the business. 

What entices neophytes to the options markets is the promise of “limited loss and unlimited potential” – similar to what Las Vegas sells you when playing slot machines. They say “Bet a dollar to make $1,000,000!” Sounds great, but what are the odds? In Vegas they are beyond miniscule. Obviously, someone must pull the lever at least 1 million times before the house has enough money to pay the 1 million dollars. Plus, the house must factor in the costs of maintaining the machine, the employees running the place, overhead of the physical space, plus they must still make a profit. As a result, the lever may need to be pulled 2 million times or more for each $1 million paid out. Whatever it is, the odds are not only NOT in your favor, they basically don’t exist. 

Trading options may have better odds than a million-dolloar Vegas slot machine, but they aren’t very good. In my entire career, I have never known anyone who consistently made money trading options. My personal experience has not been pleasant. 

When trading stock, typically the money wagered is all you can lose, so emotions are kept in check. Unless the company goes bankrupt, shares do not expire, so you can hold the stock as long as you want. As a result, your timing may not be great and your entry price may not be good, but with patience, inflation and improving technology, the chances are good those shares will be worth more than you paid for them at some point in the future. You certainly can’t say that about futures and options trading. Consequently, stock trading is one of the least difficult games Wall Street has to offer. 

When trading futures, the element of leverage dramatically alters the landscape – every few points can have a significant impact on total account equity, especially for the typical trader who is under-capitalized. There is also the element of expiring contracts and potential delivery of a commodity that eventually forces all futures traders out of their original position, forcing them to take a profit or loss at or before expiration. The factors associated with Futures trading makes timing, entry and starting capital important considerations, increasing the complexity of the success equation. 

What makes options trading even more difficult? On top of all the elements you must master for Futures trading, options incorporate the additional factors of premium decay and volatility. Unless you are Shorting options (which virtually no one new to the business does), you need to enter when the markets are slow and premiums are low. Your must enter immediately before a large advance or decline ensues, so your timing must be nearly perfect. In addition, you must pick the right option (a Put or a Call), the right contract month (Jan., Feb. Mar., etc.), the right strike price (400, 500, etc.) and you will probably have to deal with issues of liquidity. In other words, you need to be right about everything – nearly perfect entry, perfect timing, right contract, right strike price, etc. That not only makes options trading the most difficult game it town, it makes it a nearly impossible game to win. 

For all the above reasons, I do not recommend options trading for anyone with less than 10 years trading/investment experience. Even then, options should be used only on the rarest of occasions. If you are a professional who writes (shorts) options, the rules are very different and much of what I have said above does not apply.

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If you are counting waves on an hourly timeframe, how many bars at most should you ideally have in view?

ANSWER:

This is a “complexity related” question sent in by a client in South Africa. Ideally, all charts used for forecasting are constructed with cash data and plotted in NEoWave fashion (i.e., with the high and low in the order they occurred). Outside of the stock market, most bar charts are futures based or have expiration dates (i.e., they are not cash based). If a bar chart is all you have to work with, the time frame you are following (whether hourly, daily, weekly, etc.) is not what determines the number of bars that should be visible. As always, the focus should be on the complexity of the chart (i.e., the number of monowaves visible). 

When working with a high/low NEoWave chart, the ideal number of monowaves visible should be about 44. To see 44 monowaves on a NEoWave chart requires from 22 to 33 groups of high/low data (i.e., the highs and lows extracted from 22-33 bars). When you use bars instead of a NEoWave plot, the complexity of the chart is cut in half (since the high and low occupy the same space). Therefore, to create the same complexity on a bar chart as on a NEoWave chart, you need twice as many bars. Consequently, instead of needing 22 to 33 bars, you need about 44 to 66 bars of data visible to do accurate wave analysis on a bar chart.